"When Life Rings the Final Bell" with Zach Creaser

[00:00:00] She was like, I want one less trip with the family. We went out to the cabin in the summer as a big group. She enjoyed it. She loved it. She said, okay, cool. I can go anytime now. Whenever you're ready, mom, like do your thing. So she set her date for November 24th. She did it at our house. Like they'll come to your house and do it. Nurses were like, hey, you're time. Like we're on a little bit of a thing here. You need to hurry up and like say your goodbyes. We gotta go. So she was like, I'm gonna have another smoke. I'm like, I'm sitting there like, oh, mom, like you're pissing your nurses off here. Like what is going on? She was in the room saying goodbye to my sister, myself and my dad. And the nurses came in and they were like, if you want to do this,

[00:00:30] today we gotta do it. She's like, oh yeah, today. And like ripped up her sleeve and was like, there's the IV port. Like get it. So it all happened so quickly. And the nurse was like, okay, the first shot calms them in the moment. The second one puts them in the coma. The third one stops their heart. Okay. So I was in the room. It was me, my dad and my sister. We're all kind of in this room. The first shot she gets, she's, you know, looking around all loopy daisy and the second shot, her eyes closed. And then it was like the third shot, five or six seconds. And the nurse was like, and her heart has stopped. And I was like, well, that was, that's really fast.

[00:01:21] Good morning, everyone. Hi. So, um, actually, uh, happy new year. Uh, this is gonna, this is coming out in the new year already. Oh, is it? Okay.

[00:01:32] We're past Christmas and we're back on no drinking, but we are actually just started drinking.

[00:01:37] Yeah. Oh man. Last night I had my first drink.

[00:01:42] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then many drinks followed.

[00:01:46] And then more after that. Yeah.

[00:01:47] And that's 10 AM and, uh, we're here.

[00:01:51] Yeah. Whose bright fucking idea was this?

[00:01:53] Our guests, I think. Let's just, let's just blame our guests.

[00:01:57] Yeah. Real nice.

[00:02:00] Um, sorry. Off to a good start.

[00:02:03] Yeah. So, uh, you know what? I think, uh, we can kind of skip the,

[00:02:07] the little short intro right now and just, um, go with, uh, go with the flow.

[00:02:12] Um, follow your lead.

[00:02:13] Oh my God. Yeah.

[00:02:15] That's not a good idea.

[00:02:16] Well, that's what we're doing.

[00:02:18] But, uh, so I'd like to welcome our guest, Zach Creaser.

[00:02:23] He is, uh,

[00:02:24] It's a good name.

[00:02:24] Yeah.

[00:02:25] Thank you.

[00:02:25] Yeah.

[00:02:25] It is a good name.

[00:02:26] My parents gave it to me.

[00:02:27] It's got some, sounds like a, oh,

[00:02:31] sounds like Jack Reacher.

[00:02:32] Isn't that the guy?

[00:02:33] Yeah.

[00:02:34] The badass.

[00:02:35] I don't know.

[00:02:36] I've never seen any of that stuff, but.

[00:02:38] He's, uh, he's like a badass, uh, government agent.

[00:02:41] It's got power to it.

[00:02:42] Thank you.

[00:02:42] Yeah.

[00:02:42] Yeah.

[00:02:43] Feel strong.

[00:02:44] Yeah.

[00:02:44] Yeah.

[00:02:45] It's totally not a representation of him.

[00:02:49] No, I'm actually just a meek.

[00:02:51] We're insulting our guests.

[00:02:54] It's allowed.

[00:02:55] It's allowed.

[00:02:55] When your guests aren't friends, you can do that.

[00:02:57] Okay, sir.

[00:02:58] Normally they're directed at each other, you and I, but that's all right.

[00:03:02] If we're ripping on Zach, let's do it.

[00:03:03] I can handle it.

[00:03:04] Yeah.

[00:03:04] But, uh, Zach, so you're, you're one of the, um, uh, co-founders, I guess, of, uh, of

[00:03:11] wrestling United.

[00:03:12] You're, you're part of the organizational team and, uh, you guys been doing a fucking

[00:03:17] incredible job this past year and it's looks like it's moving up to the next level, which

[00:03:23] is great.

[00:03:24] Um, so we're going to talk about that a little bit towards the end, uh, cause, uh, we're,

[00:03:29] we have some collaboration going on.

[00:03:31] We do.

[00:03:31] Yeah.

[00:03:32] Yeah.

[00:03:32] And, uh, but, uh, you know, every, every man has a story that, you know, I think it's

[00:03:36] worth sharing on our show.

[00:03:37] And, and, and so we'll dive into that a little bit, but as you listen to our show, we do a

[00:03:42] check-in.

[00:03:42] Yes.

[00:03:43] And so why don't we check in?

[00:03:52] Let's start with Tim.

[00:03:53] Okay.

[00:03:54] How are you doing today, buddy?

[00:03:56] Specifically this morning.

[00:03:58] I'm okay.

[00:03:59] Uh, a little tired, but I just woke up kind of half an hour ago.

[00:04:03] Yeah.

[00:04:03] Um, it's weird cause my daily routine, like I don't do anything until I take a shower.

[00:04:09] Like I get up and I go, the first thing I do is go take a shower.

[00:04:12] And so I'm sitting here now and just like feel gross.

[00:04:16] Yeah.

[00:04:16] Yeah.

[00:04:17] I feel disgusting.

[00:04:18] Yeah.

[00:04:18] The couch was comfy.

[00:04:20] I had a decent sleep.

[00:04:22] I mean, that couch served my ass many, many times.

[00:04:25] It does look like a good couch.

[00:04:26] It's not the first time I've slept on it either.

[00:04:29] So these couches are like 30, if not 40 years old.

[00:04:33] And back when they know how to make a couch, you know?

[00:04:35] Right.

[00:04:36] Yeah, exactly.

[00:04:36] Yeah.

[00:04:37] Uh, I would say I'm, uh, six.

[00:04:41] Okay.

[00:04:41] Yeah.

[00:04:42] Uh, that's, that's good.

[00:04:44] Yeah.

[00:04:44] Yeah.

[00:04:44] That's a good spot to be.

[00:04:45] It's been pretty low.

[00:04:46] Like last time I think I was like three or four.

[00:04:49] So, uh, I'm okay.

[00:04:51] I've had a good week.

[00:04:52] Like this last, this past week has been good and leading up into like, I guess we're just

[00:04:58] coming out in January, but it's just before Christmas week.

[00:05:00] And like, I don't know.

[00:05:01] I just feel good.

[00:05:02] I have six, seven, somewhere in there.

[00:05:04] Oh, that's good.

[00:05:05] Yeah.

[00:05:05] Nice.

[00:05:06] Nice to see you.

[00:05:06] I'm excited for like a little bit of a break over the holidays.

[00:05:10] Not really.

[00:05:11] Cause all the days that I'm not working, I'm, I have shit going on, but like, yeah, it's

[00:05:17] okay.

[00:05:17] It'll be all right.

[00:05:18] Nice.

[00:05:19] Nice.

[00:05:20] You, um, I'm, I'm about a seven, eight.

[00:05:24] Yeah.

[00:05:24] Uh, it's been, it's been great.

[00:05:26] Uh, it's been a great week.

[00:05:28] It's been very busy.

[00:05:30] Um, I really like one thing that bumped me up this week was, um, Jacob, my son, he does

[00:05:38] Taekwondo and, uh, he had a test.

[00:05:41] Now I don't know nothing about martial arts.

[00:05:44] Like when I, you know, look at any, any fights or any.

[00:05:49] I would have thought you did.

[00:05:50] Right.

[00:05:51] I mean, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe judo, maybe wrestling, you know, but like, no.

[00:05:58] Um, I, uh, but like when I, when I saw his test, I was like, Holy shit.

[00:06:03] Like he did really good.

[00:06:05] Like, and he's been practicing for the last two, three weeks because, uh, his teacher told

[00:06:11] him, he was like, well, you might not be ready for the test.

[00:06:14] And he, it fucking hit him.

[00:06:16] So every day, like almost twice, like I think even twice a day, some days where he

[00:06:21] tried to practice his routine and everything, you know?

[00:06:24] So I could see that he's taking it seriously.

[00:06:26] And then when I saw the test, I'm like, Holy shit, like buddy, you did really good, you

[00:06:30] know?

[00:06:30] So I was super proud.

[00:06:31] And then, so the test finished and usually they hand out the new belts, but because of

[00:06:36] the strike, they, they didn't get the new belts.

[00:06:39] Yeah.

[00:06:39] They didn't come in the mail.

[00:06:39] Yeah.

[00:06:40] And, and so, but, but so everyone just kind of, when they said that we don't have the

[00:06:44] belts, they're like, okay.

[00:06:45] So they dispersed and one of the teachers comes closer to the crowd was like, hold on,

[00:06:50] hold on.

[00:06:50] We're not done.

[00:06:52] Um, and they kind of made an announcement like this doesn't happen very often, but one student

[00:06:56] did really good.

[00:06:57] So we're going to advance him, advance him to the next belt.

[00:07:00] So, and it was Jacob.

[00:07:01] So I was like, Holy shit.

[00:07:03] Like I'm like, keep the tears in, you know, I was like super proud and like, I could see

[00:07:08] he was proud and like that, you know, and just kind of like a little message that like

[00:07:12] hard work really pays off, you know?

[00:07:14] I was just like, shit, like this is for a 10 year old kid to do that.

[00:07:18] It was made me super proud and like kind of like I had a busy week and like it was stupid,

[00:07:23] but I'm like, you know what?

[00:07:25] This is good.

[00:07:26] I'm okay.

[00:07:26] I'm feeling really good.

[00:07:28] So that kind of helped me get through the tough week.

[00:07:30] Nice.

[00:07:31] I like that.

[00:07:33] You know, the kind of parenting that your wife and you are doing is that when the teacher

[00:07:36] told Jacob, Hey man, I'm not sure you're ready for this test.

[00:07:40] He didn't give up and like go cower.

[00:07:42] Right.

[00:07:42] He was like, no, I'm going to buckle down.

[00:07:44] I'm going to, I'm going to do this.

[00:07:46] I'm going to prove you that you're wrong.

[00:07:47] Yeah.

[00:07:48] I've been always telling them that like, look, like you can fail.

[00:07:52] It's okay to fail, but just do your best, you know?

[00:07:54] And he did your, did his best and he fucking didn't fail.

[00:07:57] So that's great.

[00:07:58] That's awesome.

[00:07:58] Nice.

[00:07:59] Zach, how are you?

[00:08:00] I'm good.

[00:08:01] You know what?

[00:08:01] And I think I'm actually sitting around a seven or an eight as well.

[00:08:04] I mean, lots of things going on, you know, similar to Tim here.

[00:08:07] We've got tons, tons going on in my life, but with Christmas around the corner, um, my

[00:08:12] son and my foster who had a very questionable upbringing, you know, she wasn't necessarily

[00:08:17] believing in Santa and she's young enough still to where it's like, Hey, uh, let's,

[00:08:22] let's bring this joy back.

[00:08:23] Let's let you be a kid.

[00:08:24] Let's let you focus on being a kid.

[00:08:25] And it's finally coming full circle.

[00:08:27] And, you know, she's talking to the elf and asking for gifts now.

[00:08:29] And like, things are just really sitting well at home for me.

[00:08:31] So I'm feeling, I'm feeling well.

[00:08:33] We started hockey yesterday and that's a big one for me.

[00:08:35] That's right.

[00:08:35] Yeah.

[00:08:35] Always lifts me up a notch or two on the mental health scale.

[00:08:38] And yeah, that is such a great thing on the Saturdays.

[00:08:42] Like I have Friday night hockey and then I have spongy on Saturday and that's like, makes

[00:08:47] me feel good that all the crap that I eat and don't take care of my body.

[00:08:51] I'm out here moving my legs.

[00:08:53] I'm trying.

[00:08:53] I'm trying.

[00:08:54] Doing something.

[00:08:55] Yeah.

[00:08:55] It looks like you're running full sprint and you're moving like a snail.

[00:09:00] All right.

[00:09:00] Awesome.

[00:09:01] Thanks for checking in.

[00:09:02] And so let's dive right in.

[00:09:10] So I want to hear about this foster thing.

[00:09:13] Okay.

[00:09:13] Yeah, let's do that.

[00:09:14] Yeah.

[00:09:14] Let's ease into it.

[00:09:15] Yeah.

[00:09:16] We can, we can dive into that.

[00:09:17] Can we get to know you a little bit?

[00:09:19] Yeah, of course.

[00:09:20] I've got no problem with that.

[00:09:20] I'm a nice guy.

[00:09:21] I think I'm an open book.

[00:09:23] So I have a foster who is actually.

[00:09:26] Okay.

[00:09:27] So it was my stepdaughter.

[00:09:29] Some stuff went on in that situation, which necessarily isn't my story to tell, but it ended

[00:09:34] up that we have living with us now.

[00:09:38] Okay.

[00:09:38] And it started with, oh, it's going to be six months and we'll see where we're going.

[00:09:42] There'll be court dates.

[00:09:43] There'll be, you know, custody cases still haven't happened.

[00:09:47] So she's still with us almost a year later.

[00:09:49] Some parts are moving.

[00:09:50] So things are starting to slowly go on now.

[00:09:53] But yeah, so she's nine and she speaks French and English.

[00:09:57] She goes to like a DFSM school, which is a nightmare for my wife and I, because none

[00:10:02] of us speak French.

[00:10:03] Yeah.

[00:10:04] So trying to like keep up with her homework.

[00:10:06] I've gotten really familiar with Google Translate.

[00:10:08] I leave on my Francophone friends.

[00:10:11] I'm like, please help me.

[00:10:12] Like I need help with this.

[00:10:13] Right.

[00:10:13] So it takes a village as they say.

[00:10:16] Yeah.

[00:10:16] But her and my son get along well.

[00:10:18] There's about five years age difference there, but they play every day.

[00:10:21] Yeah.

[00:10:21] It's great.

[00:10:22] Cool.

[00:10:23] That's awesome.

[00:10:23] Your son's how old?

[00:10:24] Five.

[00:10:24] Okay.

[00:10:25] So he's younger.

[00:10:26] Okay.

[00:10:26] Four or five years.

[00:10:27] Yeah.

[00:10:27] But that's a good gap.

[00:10:29] Like it's getting to that borderline, but like my kids are five years apart.

[00:10:35] Okay.

[00:10:36] And I still see them even right now.

[00:10:38] My daughter's 15 and he's 10 and once in a while they're still hanging out.

[00:10:41] Like Friday, that was their plan.

[00:10:43] Like last day of school, we're going to just chill, watch movies.

[00:10:46] And they hung out all afternoon together.

[00:10:48] I think they took like an hour break where like one was on their screen, the other one

[00:10:52] was on their screen.

[00:10:52] They need that a little bit, but they still play together and hung out together.

[00:10:56] So it was awesome.

[00:10:57] Yeah.

[00:10:57] They do pretty good together.

[00:10:59] You're two.

[00:11:00] And so that's a good gap, like eight and five or four.

[00:11:05] Yeah.

[00:11:05] Like they do get annoyed with each other.

[00:11:06] Of course.

[00:11:07] Exactly.

[00:11:08] But you can be any age gap and that's going to happen.

[00:11:10] Exactly.

[00:11:11] In fact, it might even be worse if you were older.

[00:11:13] Yeah.

[00:11:14] Yeah.

[00:11:14] Yeah.

[00:11:14] Like if you're one year apart.

[00:11:16] Oh yeah.

[00:11:17] Yeah.

[00:11:17] That's when you start to butt heads because it's like, no, that's my friend.

[00:11:19] And you're going through like the same phase of life at the same time.

[00:11:23] Yeah.

[00:11:23] Yeah.

[00:11:23] Yeah.

[00:11:23] So, um, and, uh, was, was this like, uh, uh, uh, a, your decision or like you just wanted

[00:11:32] to help out or is that like you did your wife agree to it right away or was there some kind

[00:11:37] of a.

[00:11:38] So it was my wife's idea.

[00:11:39] Okay.

[00:11:39] We had been talking with who is really struggling with it.

[00:11:43] She was living in a, uh, a home for abused women.

[00:11:46] Yeah.

[00:11:46] Yeah.

[00:11:46] Women and kids.

[00:11:47] Um, and at the time she was like, I like terrified to make the call.

[00:11:52] She was worried about the repercussion from the other party in this situation.

[00:11:55] Yeah.

[00:11:55] Um, so I was like, listen, come down, like come over, let's sit down, let's talk about

[00:12:00] it.

[00:12:00] Let's unpack it.

[00:12:01] Let's see actually what you're scared of and then let's move forward and let's make

[00:12:05] the right decisions.

[00:12:06] Not for you, not for the other party, but for your daughter.

[00:12:09] Right.

[00:12:09] Yeah.

[00:12:09] I said, and at the end of the day, that's, that's who matters most in this equation is

[00:12:12] that.

[00:12:13] So, um, essentially I dialed, put it on speakerphone and handed it to the phone and I said, Hey,

[00:12:18] you're making this call.

[00:12:19] And because I'm being such an influence and almost kind of forcing your hand and making

[00:12:22] this decision, I'll take on some responsibility.

[00:12:25] She can come stay here if they need something.

[00:12:27] Right.

[00:12:28] Yeah.

[00:12:28] That's awesome.

[00:12:28] Um, so 24 hours later they were all sitting at my table, like CFS workers and everything

[00:12:33] like that.

[00:12:33] And they were approving our house, doing inspections, making sure windows were the right size.

[00:12:38] Like really?

[00:12:38] Like there's a whole, I guess.

[00:12:40] Yeah.

[00:12:41] We had to design like a fire escape plan and tape it to the back of her door.

[00:12:46] Um, yeah.

[00:12:47] Yeah.

[00:12:47] Really?

[00:12:48] Yeah.

[00:12:48] It's like a whole thing.

[00:12:49] We had to buy fire extinguishers.

[00:12:50] Yeah.

[00:12:51] It's, it's basically, they have to approve it in their system.

[00:12:54] They have standards, I guess.

[00:12:55] Yeah.

[00:12:55] They won't let the foster child's room be in the basement.

[00:12:58] Cause those rooms have smaller windows.

[00:13:00] The kids can't necessarily reach to climb and get out if there's a fire.

[00:13:03] Right.

[00:13:03] So at the end of the day, she's not in our custody.

[00:13:05] She's still in the custody of the government.

[00:13:07] Yeah.

[00:13:07] We're just a place of safety.

[00:13:09] Okay.

[00:13:10] Yeah.

[00:13:11] And that's been going well.

[00:13:13] Well, yeah.

[00:13:13] I mean, she's a super easygoing kid.

[00:13:15] She does have a lot of traumas, um, as a physically abused child.

[00:13:19] Right.

[00:13:19] So like I'll go to at the first start, like when we first got her at the beginning of the

[00:13:23] year, I would like go to Russell her hair or something.

[00:13:26] And when I would reach out to Russell her, she'd dive to the floor.

[00:13:28] Oh, and I'm like, Oh shit.

[00:13:30] Right.

[00:13:30] Yeah.

[00:13:31] My bad.

[00:13:31] Right.

[00:13:32] So I'll take a step back, assess the situation, change my behaviors.

[00:13:34] Because at that point, like, yeah, we can all say your traumas aren't my responsibility,

[00:13:39] but this is a nine year old child.

[00:13:40] I'm going to mind my keys and try and make her life happy.

[00:13:43] Right.

[00:13:44] So yes, things like that are like if I noticed if I was putting on my belt or taking off a

[00:13:49] belt, the jingle of the sound of the buckle center right away.

[00:13:53] Like, so there were certain things that I had to adjust about my lifestyle to make sure that

[00:13:57] she was comfortable in her house.

[00:13:59] Man, a kid should never feel that way.

[00:14:01] Correct.

[00:14:01] Yeah.

[00:14:01] Like, it's just brutal.

[00:14:02] Now you've, you've had her now for, what did you say?

[00:14:05] A year?

[00:14:06] Almost a year.

[00:14:06] Just short of a year.

[00:14:07] Have you seen, have you seen those things change or soften or?

[00:14:12] Yeah.

[00:14:12] Yeah.

[00:14:12] Yeah.

[00:14:13] Like kids are, I'm not a kid who experienced trauma like that, so I don't actually know,

[00:14:18] but like kids are pretty malleable.

[00:14:20] Like they, they change lots and she's young enough that she's not kind of set in her ways.

[00:14:25] Like, I guess, well, I, yeah, I'll let you talk about it.

[00:14:28] She's super smart in the sense that she knows now she's in a better situation than she was

[00:14:33] in.

[00:14:33] She obviously misses her dad.

[00:14:35] Let's be real.

[00:14:36] But there are things that make her go, oh, like that wasn't the coolest that he did that

[00:14:41] to me or, you know, last year she'll go, oh, Santa didn't come to my house.

[00:14:46] He ate the cookies and milk, but he didn't leave anything under the tree.

[00:14:50] Oh, brutal.

[00:14:52] So it's like, it crushed me.

[00:14:55] That hurts.

[00:14:55] It sat so heavy.

[00:14:56] I was like, I need to change this girl.

[00:15:00] Like I need to be such a positive influence that she comes out of the situation from living

[00:15:04] with us to whatever her next step is, feeling better and feeling more confident

[00:15:08] and feeling beautiful and all of these things.

[00:15:10] And she's come light years.

[00:15:12] Like she has made so many progressive steps forward.

[00:15:16] Obviously there are certain things and like she does therapy every week.

[00:15:18] We make sure we take the time to take her and like all of that stuff.

[00:15:21] So she's unpacking a lot there and her therapist is in constant communication with us.

[00:15:26] So it works out really well.

[00:15:28] Yeah.

[00:15:29] Cool.

[00:15:29] That's.

[00:15:30] I've heard, you know, kids go to foster homes and those foster homes are great.

[00:15:36] Yeah.

[00:15:37] But when you, when you go to somebody that you actually known already, you know, it feels

[00:15:41] probably more home for her than.

[00:15:43] It's comfortable for her.

[00:15:44] Right.

[00:15:45] So, and that was a big thing for me too.

[00:15:47] I was like, okay, we're going to do this.

[00:15:48] Like we're going to make this phone call, but I don't want her to fall into the system

[00:15:52] and end up with strangers.

[00:15:53] That's right.

[00:15:53] Yeah.

[00:15:54] In a 13 kid house that's already, you know, like she is in a situation where she needs

[00:15:59] attention and she needs focus.

[00:16:01] Yeah.

[00:16:01] Yeah.

[00:16:01] And that's something that my wife and I are able to provide and we do provide.

[00:16:04] And I think it's, it's helped her understand her situation a little bit better and help

[00:16:09] her kind of navigate the map to get through it.

[00:16:12] Yeah.

[00:16:12] Well, and it's also a person that you're like, she's going to have you and, and vice versa

[00:16:17] in each other's lives forever.

[00:16:19] Yeah.

[00:16:20] I hope so.

[00:16:20] Foster kids do become part of families of foster families.

[00:16:24] Like, uh, actually Justin that was here last week, like, uh, they had a foster kid, uh,

[00:16:29] like their parents had a foster kid for ever.

[00:16:32] I mean, he passed away, but, uh, you know, they refer to him as my little brother, my son,

[00:16:38] my daughter, my little brother.

[00:16:39] Yeah.

[00:16:40] So, um, Dan, uh, Oh yeah.

[00:16:42] Yeah.

[00:16:43] Okay.

[00:16:43] Yeah.

[00:16:43] I know Dan.

[00:16:44] He has one.

[00:16:44] Okay.

[00:16:45] He's got a foster.

[00:16:45] And so, so, uh, kudos to, to people that take on foster kids because there's so many

[00:16:50] kids out there that just need that helping hand and loving family that will take care of

[00:16:56] them.

[00:16:56] So, and it's not an easy thing to do, like not to make it sound like it's a hard job,

[00:17:01] but like it's, it's a lot, you know, and on the families too.

[00:17:05] It's an adjustment to your family.

[00:17:06] Yeah.

[00:17:06] It's an adjustment.

[00:17:07] We have to adjust everything.

[00:17:07] I went from being or having my son as an only child.

[00:17:10] He had to adjust immediately.

[00:17:12] There was no nine months of, Oh, you've got a sister or brother coming.

[00:17:15] You're going to be a brother.

[00:17:15] It was like overnight.

[00:17:16] It's coming tomorrow.

[00:17:18] Let's get like, you're changing everything about your life.

[00:17:21] It's about to change.

[00:17:22] Yeah.

[00:17:22] Right.

[00:17:22] So it was, it was an adjustment for him, but he loved it.

[00:17:25] Right.

[00:17:26] Yeah.

[00:17:26] That's good.

[00:17:27] Awesome, man.

[00:17:28] Um, okay.

[00:17:29] Uh, so you've, as we, we talked on before, before you came here, like you mentioned that

[00:17:34] yeah, your mom has passed away.

[00:17:37] Correct.

[00:17:37] Yeah.

[00:17:38] And, um, but it wasn't, so can you tell us the story?

[00:17:42] Uh, it wasn't a sudden thing.

[00:17:44] It was a decision.

[00:17:45] Yeah.

[00:17:46] So my mom used made, um, which is a medically assisted in dying program that's offered in

[00:17:52] Canada for anybody that has chronic illness or something that's not ever going to change

[00:17:57] for them.

[00:17:57] Their quality of life is not great.

[00:17:58] Yeah.

[00:17:59] Um, so my mom, uh, it all started when I was in grade 10.

[00:18:02] So it would have been 2005, maybe 2006.

[00:18:07] Um, she had a double aneurysm.

[00:18:09] So it started up top in the brain.

[00:18:11] Um, so it was an aneurysm on an aneurysm.

[00:18:13] She had open brain surgery.

[00:18:14] They sealed it up.

[00:18:15] Uh, the incision got infected.

[00:18:17] So they had to go back in, flush it out, clean it up again, redrill her skull back in.

[00:18:21] And that kind of took her out of work forever.

[00:18:23] Um, she had also been like a lifetime smoker.

[00:18:25] So she had a end stage emphysema, full stage COPD, asthma, like the whole nine.

[00:18:30] She just bad things over and over in terms of her health.

[00:18:33] And then she got to a point where, you know, she's living on oxygen.

[00:18:36] She hasn't left her apartment in months.

[00:18:39] Yeah.

[00:18:40] Right.

[00:18:40] If she can't go, she doesn't like to go.

[00:18:42] She's just like, I'm done.

[00:18:43] I'm done.

[00:18:44] So I'm going to book, I'm going to call my day.

[00:18:45] She got on actually a lung transplant list and it gave her hope.

[00:18:48] She'd quit smoking, all this stuff.

[00:18:50] The doctors called her back and said, Hey, you actually didn't make the list.

[00:18:53] And she was like, Oh, Oh, fuck this.

[00:18:55] And she called me and she goes, can you please go get me a pack of cigarettes?

[00:18:58] And can you get me?

[00:19:00] And I was like, Oh, like your life.

[00:19:02] Who am I to tell you how to live it?

[00:19:04] Yeah.

[00:19:05] Whatever.

[00:19:05] I went and, uh, uh, got her what she had requested and brought it to her.

[00:19:09] And I guess the next day she had called the doctors and was like, let's do this made thing.

[00:19:13] Went through all the psych, like psychological appointments that she had to get assessed.

[00:19:16] Uh, and then she was given a date and, or she was given a time period.

[00:19:20] She was like, yeah, you can call whenever you want to call.

[00:19:22] So the way that it works is once you're approved, they can go, Hey, um, you have until this date

[00:19:30] before you need to be reassessed.

[00:19:32] Okay.

[00:19:33] So any window, yeah, they'll give you five or six month window and then they go, okay,

[00:19:37] cool.

[00:19:38] Uh, you can call whenever you want.

[00:19:39] Just give us a couple of days notice.

[00:19:40] Any day of the week is fine.

[00:19:42] So she hummed and she hawed and, and she was like, I want one less trip with the family.

[00:19:45] And we went out to the cabin in the summer as a big group.

[00:19:49] She enjoyed it.

[00:19:49] She loved it.

[00:19:50] She said, okay, cool.

[00:19:50] I can go anytime now.

[00:19:52] Like whenever, whenever you're ready, mom, like do your thing.

[00:19:54] Jesus.

[00:19:55] Um, so she set her date for November 24th, I believe it was, but she called the Monday

[00:20:00] of that week and she's like, Hey, this Friday, come down.

[00:20:02] So Friday we had to quickly like arrange everybody.

[00:20:05] I had talked to my employer.

[00:20:06] I was like, I'm going to need the Thursday and the Friday off.

[00:20:09] And then the following two weeks, please.

[00:20:11] Like this is going to be something I need time to process.

[00:20:14] So we get to the day, really weird process.

[00:20:17] A group of nurses shows up and like, obviously all of our families in this room and like

[00:20:22] work, she did it at our house.

[00:20:23] Like they'll come to your house and do it.

[00:20:25] So, um, we get to the house, we do all that.

[00:20:29] Uh, nurses were like, Hey, your time.

[00:20:31] Like we're on a little bit of a thing here.

[00:20:34] You need to hurry up and like say your goodbyes.

[00:20:35] We gotta, we gotta go.

[00:20:37] And then, uh, so she was like, I'm going to have another smoke.

[00:20:39] And every time she smoked, they would like, we got to leave the apartment cause we're

[00:20:42] not going to smoke inside or be inside where you're smoking by your open oxygen tank.

[00:20:47] We are, we don't want to die today.

[00:20:49] So they kept leaving.

[00:20:49] And I'm like, I'm sitting there like, Oh mom, like you're pissing your nurses off here.

[00:20:53] Like what is going on?

[00:20:54] So eventually she came to and she was in the room, uh, saying goodbye to my sister, myself

[00:20:58] and my dad.

[00:20:58] And the nurses came in and they were like, uh, if you want to do this today, we gotta do it.

[00:21:02] She's like, Oh yeah, today.

[00:21:04] And like ripped up her sleeve and was like, there's the IV.

[00:21:07] Or like, so it all happened so quickly.

[00:21:10] And, and the nurse was like, okay, we're going to give her the first shot, puts her in a

[00:21:13] little bit of a coma.

[00:21:14] Second shot stopped their heart.

[00:21:15] Like, cool.

[00:21:15] Okay.

[00:21:16] That's how it, yeah.

[00:21:17] So like the first shot calms them.

[00:21:18] I think they get three.

[00:21:19] One is like that calms them in the moment.

[00:21:21] The second one puts them in the coma.

[00:21:23] The third one stops their heart.

[00:21:25] So I was in the room.

[00:21:26] It was me and my dad and my sister.

[00:21:28] We're all kind of in this room.

[00:21:29] The first shot she gets, she's, you know, looking around all loopy daisy and the second

[00:21:33] shot, her eyes closed.

[00:21:34] And then it was like the third shot five or six seconds.

[00:21:37] And the nurse was like, and her heart has stopped.

[00:21:39] And I was like, well, that was, that was really fast.

[00:21:42] Jesus.

[00:21:43] Like it just, it happened so fast.

[00:21:45] So I made the phone calls I needed to make.

[00:21:46] And at the time there was about 10 people in the living room, went out and let them know.

[00:21:50] Like, so I'm busy still dealing with all of these things.

[00:21:53] I was like, oh yeah, my mom just died.

[00:21:54] Like, but the bag got things to do.

[00:21:55] I had a checklist.

[00:21:56] Right.

[00:21:56] Like I was zooming around in mode.

[00:21:58] I made my phone calls.

[00:21:58] Just in work mode.

[00:21:59] Yeah.

[00:22:00] Yeah.

[00:22:01] Specifically.

[00:22:01] And then, you know, it's, it's kind of messed up.

[00:22:04] I had to carry my mom out of her apartment that day because the hallways were so tight and

[00:22:08] narrow.

[00:22:08] And the two little ladies from the stretcher service, they said, they were like, ah, you can't

[00:22:12] carry her.

[00:22:12] They're going to carry her out on like a tarp.

[00:22:15] And I'm like, ah, God, give me that blanket.

[00:22:17] I got her out.

[00:22:18] Oh my God.

[00:22:19] So I scooped her up and I'm walking out of her apartment with my dead mom in my arms.

[00:22:23] Oh my God.

[00:22:24] And I dropped her on the stretcher in the hallway.

[00:22:25] And I was like, thank you.

[00:22:27] Like, I'm leaving that a Google review.

[00:22:29] Like, who are you sent to do this?

[00:22:31] Right.

[00:22:32] So, yeah.

[00:22:32] So do they, like, do the nurses actually issue the, like, they do it?

[00:22:37] Yeah.

[00:22:38] Yeah.

[00:22:39] Yeah.

[00:22:39] So there's, there, there's a very, one's a doctor, one is a nurse.

[00:22:42] And the other one I think is like a, like a family support therapist kind of thing.

[00:22:49] And they're like, is everybody okay?

[00:22:50] And yeah.

[00:22:52] Like my man, I have just, what do you expect us to say?

[00:22:54] I have so many questions.

[00:22:55] Yeah.

[00:22:56] Jesus.

[00:22:56] Yeah.

[00:22:57] Ask away.

[00:22:57] I'm all answers.

[00:22:58] Yeah.

[00:22:59] Um, okay.

[00:23:00] Let's go, let's go to the start.

[00:23:02] So like, um, what, how did you guys, like, how did you react when you heard that your mom

[00:23:09] wants to do this?

[00:23:10] Like, like what, what went through your, cause like, you know, not sure what, what your

[00:23:15] relationship was with your mom, you know?

[00:23:16] Uh, like I don't have the best relationship with my mom, but like, I still love her.

[00:23:20] And I, you know, I like, it's not like we hate each other, but that would like kind of

[00:23:27] devastate me, but also be like, what the fuck?

[00:23:29] Like, like I knew like we're still here for you.

[00:23:33] And you know, like at least that's what I would be going through.

[00:23:36] Right.

[00:23:37] And even, even if she didn't use made, I knew her timeline was short.

[00:23:41] Yeah.

[00:23:42] She's living there with end stage emphysema.

[00:23:44] Yeah.

[00:23:44] She can't breathe on a good day.

[00:23:46] Right.

[00:23:46] So I knew she wasn't going to last long, even if she didn't use that.

[00:23:49] So I had kind of already mentally prepared myself for that five times over, over the years,

[00:23:53] there's been stroke scares and heart attack scares and this brain surgery thing.

[00:23:56] She was on life support.

[00:23:57] Like, so there's been multiple moments in my life that she was on the edge of time to

[00:24:03] process it.

[00:24:03] Pre-process some of that.

[00:24:05] And for me, you just didn't know when, right?

[00:24:07] Likewise, I didn't have the greatest relationship with my mother either.

[00:24:10] I, there was a period of my life where I had excused her and I was like, I don't have the

[00:24:15] space for you with this behavior.

[00:24:17] Um, so she, it was like a two year gap where the only contact I had for her was so that my

[00:24:23] son could have his time with her because I didn't want to be the kind of parent that

[00:24:26] was like, I don't like my mom.

[00:24:28] So you're not allowed to.

[00:24:29] Yeah.

[00:24:29] I want, I want you to have that relationship with your grandmother and I want you to later

[00:24:33] in life be able to make the decision whether or not you want to have that relationship

[00:24:37] with her.

[00:24:37] So as of now, I'm not going to make the decision for you.

[00:24:39] Let's give you that time.

[00:24:40] So I still had contact with her, but like, I wasn't calling her with updates on my life.

[00:24:44] Yeah.

[00:24:44] She didn't have the green light.

[00:24:45] It was very much so an Amber, like proceed with caution situation.

[00:24:49] Any particular reason that the relationship was like that?

[00:24:52] She was abusive like my entire life.

[00:24:54] Growing up, I struggled.

[00:24:56] Um, I was bullied at home by my mom and I was bullied at school by my peers.

[00:25:00] Um, my dad worked three jobs to keep the house afloat when she stopped working.

[00:25:05] So it just became worse.

[00:25:06] Um, and then when I finally met Delaney, my wife and we moved out, my mom started attacking

[00:25:12] her because that was, you know, the girl that took the baby bird out of the nest and I moved

[00:25:17] out of the house and, um, so she wasn't a fan.

[00:25:20] You're an old baby bird.

[00:25:21] I know.

[00:25:22] Very much so.

[00:25:23] Big bird.

[00:25:23] Maybe a penguin.

[00:25:25] So she, uh, yeah, she didn't like my wife at the time or my partner.

[00:25:29] And, um, so kind of navigated through that.

[00:25:33] There was some, some fights and some blowups over that situation.

[00:25:36] And then it was my wife's idea when my mom was in really rough shape.

[00:25:39] Well, let's have her move in with us.

[00:25:41] Ooh.

[00:25:42] And I was like, why?

[00:25:43] Why would you even suggest that?

[00:25:46] Yeah.

[00:25:46] Is that, are you breaking up with me?

[00:25:49] Do you want this to be the end of us?

[00:25:52] Um, so, and I like bless her heart because I, in that situation, if her mom said the things

[00:25:58] that my mom said about her to me are about me, I would have been like, she's got no space

[00:26:03] in my home.

[00:26:04] Right.

[00:26:04] But my wife having a huge heart and wearing it on her sleeve.

[00:26:07] Yeah.

[00:26:08] Took it.

[00:26:08] She was like, I think we need to be the people to take your mom in and care for her.

[00:26:12] She tried to like be the glue and making sure that everything works.

[00:26:16] Yeah.

[00:26:16] And it didn't work.

[00:26:17] It lasted about two and a half months.

[00:26:19] And that's what started me not speaking to my mom.

[00:26:21] I kicked her out of my house.

[00:26:22] I said, you need to move out by the end of this week.

[00:26:25] Okay.

[00:26:25] And she did.

[00:26:26] Yeah.

[00:26:26] Yeah.

[00:26:26] She found somewhere to live and that was where she stayed until the end of her days.

[00:26:31] So yeah, not the best relationship with my mom, but when I found out that she was using

[00:26:35] maid, I was like, I know, I knew this was coming.

[00:26:38] I've been prepared for this since I was 16 years old.

[00:26:40] Like I'm surprised you made it this far.

[00:26:43] Okay.

[00:26:43] Um, so like I was okay with it leading up to it.

[00:26:46] It's, it's weird because humans aren't processed to our humans aren't built to process scheduled

[00:26:52] deaths.

[00:26:52] Yeah.

[00:26:53] Like for sure with pets, we schedule euthanizations, right?

[00:26:55] Yeah.

[00:26:55] Yeah.

[00:26:55] It's not something we know to do with humans.

[00:26:58] So, well, and so I had a, I had a, a buddy that, um, chose, chose that because, uh, I believe

[00:27:08] it was brain cancer and the doctors basically said like, like you're going to die in excruciating

[00:27:16] pain.

[00:27:17] Yeah.

[00:27:17] Um, and it's, it's not going to get better.

[00:27:20] There's no chance of you surviving.

[00:27:21] Right.

[00:27:22] Right.

[00:27:22] So he's, he's done that.

[00:27:24] And, and when basically right before he got like really bad now that I can see that it's

[00:27:33] just like, you know, like your time is up for sure, you know, in the next six months.

[00:27:38] And, uh, and you know, I, when, when I heard about that, I was like, well, I think I would

[00:27:43] do the same thing because then I, I would try to, you know, spend as much time with my

[00:27:49] family.

[00:27:49] I wouldn't want my family to see me struggling going through like the pain, any possibly chemo

[00:27:56] or whatever.

[00:27:56] Or if I had cancer just because chemo like kills your body.

[00:28:00] So you're useless.

[00:28:01] You're a struggle for, to your family.

[00:28:03] Right.

[00:28:04] And now I don't know why me and my wife had an argument about it actually, because she's

[00:28:08] like, why the fuck would you do that?

[00:28:09] I'm like, well, okay.

[00:28:11] I would live a year longer, but that year would be like super tough on me and you guys

[00:28:16] as well.

[00:28:17] Right.

[00:28:17] So it's, it's like, but yeah, like you as a human being, we're not like, how, how can

[00:28:24] we get ready for that shit?

[00:28:26] You don't like it.

[00:28:28] Right.

[00:28:28] Like it's.

[00:28:28] Yeah.

[00:28:29] You make the most of your time.

[00:28:31] You make the memories you can, I think.

[00:28:33] It's one thing to talk about it.

[00:28:35] Sorry.

[00:28:36] It's one thing to talk about it and another to actually.

[00:28:39] Make the time.

[00:28:40] Have somebody in your life do that because I don't know how I would react to that.

[00:28:45] Right.

[00:28:47] It's tricky situation because selfishly you want to be like, why, why would you do that?

[00:28:52] Why would you choose to leave me and this person in this person?

[00:28:56] Then you kind of look at the broader picture of it and you're like, okay, this would have

[00:28:59] been another year of me going to run errands four times a week.

[00:29:03] And so as much as it's, it's, you want to be selfish about it.

[00:29:07] You go, oh, this is your life.

[00:29:10] You have to live with that pain every day.

[00:29:12] Yeah.

[00:29:13] And if you have to live with that and you don't want to live with that anymore, that's

[00:29:17] do you, right?

[00:29:18] Like it's, you know.

[00:29:19] Yeah.

[00:29:20] I like, I'm so, I'm so conflicted about the whole thing because I don't.

[00:29:24] Part of me definitely sees sort of the compassionate side to giving people that opportunity.

[00:29:31] And the other part of me sees like, I don't, I just don't like it.

[00:29:35] Like it just, it doesn't feel right.

[00:29:37] And like, I've, I've paid a little bit of attention to the program since they started

[00:29:41] it and it's expanded.

[00:29:43] They're adding to it.

[00:29:44] Like they're adding validations to it that make it easier.

[00:29:47] And like, it doesn't feel good.

[00:29:49] Like if you, I understand somebody who is inevitably, you are six months from death or you are in

[00:29:58] excruciating pain.

[00:29:59] I mean, I get that part a bit and you're like older or whatever, but they're adding things

[00:30:05] to it now that like aren't in my mind, aren't fair reasons to give someone that option and

[00:30:11] that choice.

[00:30:12] And that's scary.

[00:30:13] I don't think that's good.

[00:30:14] And so I do see a place in the, with the program that makes sense, but man, that's a slippery

[00:30:22] fucking slope to, in my mind, that's a really slippery slope when you start adding other

[00:30:25] things that they're adding to it.

[00:30:27] And I'm not going to go into details about that because this turns into a political conversation,

[00:30:31] but like, I just, that scares me.

[00:30:33] Absolutely.

[00:30:34] And I tend to agree with that.

[00:30:35] Like, like any other program that the government offers though, there's going to be people that

[00:30:40] are using it for the right reasons.

[00:30:42] And there's going to be folks that find the loopholes and beat it until it's not a good

[00:30:45] program anymore.

[00:30:46] True.

[00:30:47] Which is super unfortunate.

[00:30:48] And like you said, they're kind of making the program more accessible.

[00:30:52] Isn't what this program should be about.

[00:30:54] It's not, this program should be very hard to become a part, like to be a part of.

[00:30:59] Yeah.

[00:30:59] And it's not.

[00:31:00] No.

[00:31:01] I've never, never like read about it or anything, but like, is there like a list like, oh, if

[00:31:05] you have this, this, this, this, this, this.

[00:31:06] Kind of.

[00:31:07] Yeah.

[00:31:07] Which is weird, right?

[00:31:08] Like it should, it shouldn't, there should be no list.

[00:31:10] There should be like, okay, this is the case.

[00:31:13] Now have a board or whoever look at it and assess everything.

[00:31:15] And then, yeah.

[00:31:17] Yeah.

[00:31:18] I think what's wild about it is her, basically her doctor offered it to her.

[00:31:21] They're like, Hey, have you heard of this?

[00:31:22] Do you want to.

[00:31:23] I've heard of that on multiple occasions.

[00:31:26] That's fucked up.

[00:31:27] Yeah.

[00:31:28] Yeah.

[00:31:28] Like that's not okay.

[00:31:29] I'm kind of done with seeing you every two months.

[00:31:32] Like, do you want to.

[00:31:33] I have a huge ethical and moral issue with that exact thing.

[00:31:38] Like people offering, like the people that are supposed to save your life offering to

[00:31:43] take it.

[00:31:44] Yeah.

[00:31:44] It's interesting.

[00:31:45] Like I, and I've got like, yeah, I'm not going to get into a whole thing about that,

[00:31:48] but like that's, that's wrong.

[00:31:51] Like to me, that's just, that's just fucking wrong.

[00:31:53] I agree.

[00:31:54] And so it shouldn't, it shouldn't be something that's recommended to you.

[00:31:57] It should be something that's requested by you.

[00:31:59] Yeah.

[00:31:59] You know what I mean?

[00:32:00] You're like, Hey, I've got these six chronic illnesses.

[00:32:02] Yeah.

[00:32:03] I can't keep fighting this every day.

[00:32:05] It's daunting on my family.

[00:32:06] It's daunting on my existence.

[00:32:07] I'm not happy.

[00:32:09] I sit in the same chair every day for 25 hours.

[00:32:11] Like, you know what I mean?

[00:32:12] It's, it's so for those people.

[00:32:14] Sure.

[00:32:14] Yeah.

[00:32:15] Yeah.

[00:32:15] But to have your doctor go, have you heard of this program?

[00:32:18] That option should be like on the top shelf and for the doctor to be hard to reach.

[00:32:24] Not just like, Oh yeah.

[00:32:25] Let me pull this out of my pocket.

[00:32:26] Like a prescription pad.

[00:32:28] Like, you know, I don't like that.

[00:32:30] I don't know.

[00:32:31] I didn't know that.

[00:32:31] I fucking hate that.

[00:32:32] It's bad.

[00:32:32] And it's getting, and it's getting worse.

[00:32:34] Yeah.

[00:32:34] It is getting worse.

[00:32:35] Well, and like, you know, who's to say, uh, I don't know.

[00:32:37] Um, you know, there's, there's lots of people with, with struggling, uh, mental illness.

[00:32:43] They're adding that.

[00:32:43] And then.

[00:32:44] Just so you're aware.

[00:32:45] Oh yeah.

[00:32:46] Yeah.

[00:32:46] Yeah.

[00:32:47] And that's, that's unfortunate because there is a plethora of mental health illnesses and

[00:32:53] issues and people are suffering, but that's not, that's not the, like, I shouldn't say

[00:33:00] it's not, but it's not, it shouldn't be a priority path for anybody.

[00:33:03] No, no, no.

[00:33:04] That should actually never be an option for if you're struggling with mental illness because

[00:33:08] there's so many great, uh, great ways to, to, to fix, fix your mental illness because

[00:33:16] or help or treat.

[00:33:17] Well, you can't, you can't, you can't, well, exactly.

[00:33:20] Like you can do therapy.

[00:33:21] You can do self, uh, self, uh, uh, uh, well, some self improvements in your life, just simple

[00:33:28] things as going for walks, working out, like things like that.

[00:33:32] We're not looking to make dying easy for people who suffer from mental illnesses.

[00:33:36] And like, like what, the whole thing about all this, the reason we do this show, the, is

[00:33:41] we have people, we've been experienced, we've been, you know, arm's length from people who've

[00:33:46] killed themselves.

[00:33:47] And it's like, that's what we're trying to stop.

[00:33:49] Yeah.

[00:33:49] Yeah.

[00:33:49] Like now we're making it easy.

[00:33:51] We don't want it to be easy for them to walk.

[00:33:53] We're making it easy.

[00:33:53] And like also someone else is doing it.

[00:33:56] So you don't have to like, no, fuck no.

[00:33:59] I have a theory.

[00:34:01] I have a lot of theories on this that I'm not going to talk about on the show.

[00:34:04] Oh, we opened a can of worms today.

[00:34:07] Terminator.

[00:34:07] Fucking, uh, you know, uh, Skynet and, uh, it's all, it's all AIs fucking take it over

[00:34:14] and they're putting it in there because they want to get rid of humanity.

[00:34:17] Oh, yeah.

[00:34:19] The conspiracies.

[00:34:20] Email us about that.

[00:34:21] What do you think?

[00:34:23] Yeah.

[00:34:24] I just, I do think it's, it's getting too easy and I don't, I have theories on why and

[00:34:29] that doesn't matter.

[00:34:30] But like, I do, I do think there is a place for it.

[00:34:35] A hundred percent.

[00:34:36] There is.

[00:34:37] I think it should be, I think it should be rare and it should be very difficult to validate.

[00:34:43] Yep.

[00:34:43] I agree as well.

[00:34:44] And I think something that I realized through this process with my mom is that it is far

[00:34:49] too easy.

[00:34:49] Yeah.

[00:34:50] Yeah.

[00:34:50] Like there are moments where I'm like, like this woman is not mentally sound and she should

[00:34:55] not be making this decision.

[00:34:56] Granted, she did go through all like the psychiatric appointments, but that anybody could probably

[00:35:02] walk their way through that if they really wanted to, you know, um, I try, I can make it a project

[00:35:07] on the show.

[00:35:07] Yeah.

[00:35:08] See if you can get approved for it.

[00:35:10] Yeah.

[00:35:10] See if I can get approved.

[00:35:11] Yeah.

[00:35:11] Yeah.

[00:35:11] I mean, Hey, this, it's a good experiment to be like one of those button cameras.

[00:35:16] I mean, I'm sure I would hope I'd at least have had a bit of a history documented.

[00:35:22] Yeah.

[00:35:22] But I don't know.

[00:35:23] Nobody knows.

[00:35:24] Yeah.

[00:35:24] Something I noticed too about this, which is really weird to kind of tail off of your point,

[00:35:28] Tim, is that my mom did it and now she's got like this group of friends that I'll say,

[00:35:33] um, this one's going through this and this one's going through this.

[00:35:36] And now all of a sudden their opinions are, well, we're kind of done.

[00:35:39] Yeah.

[00:35:39] We don't want to do this anymore.

[00:35:41] And it's like, well, your problems aren't nearly as close.

[00:35:44] Yeah.

[00:35:44] So now they're all like, well, I'm just going to call them.

[00:35:46] No, like you guys.

[00:35:48] No, but that's what happens.

[00:35:49] Like, cause it's too easy.

[00:35:51] And like, yeah, I just, I fucking hate it.

[00:35:56] It's too easy.

[00:35:57] They're making it too easy.

[00:35:58] I agree.

[00:35:58] Yeah.

[00:35:58] Yeah.

[00:35:59] I know.

[00:35:59] That's, I had no idea they're adding mental health.

[00:36:02] And it's a laundry list of things that they're like, yeah, it's, I like, I follow it as well.

[00:36:07] They're just going to keep adding and keep adding and keep adding.

[00:36:10] Yeah.

[00:36:10] Yeah.

[00:36:11] The UK just did it too.

[00:36:12] Yeah.

[00:36:13] Just in the last couple of weeks.

[00:36:14] Very, very recently.

[00:36:15] Or very recently they added it as well, the program.

[00:36:17] And so I just, it doesn't feel good.

[00:36:20] I've heard like, I've heard your story.

[00:36:22] I heard a different story from another friend of mine who went through it with his partner's mom.

[00:36:29] And it was like very early on, like right after they.

[00:36:32] The diagnosis.

[00:36:33] Right after, right after they made, they made the program.

[00:36:37] Oh, oh.

[00:36:37] Like she's one of the first.

[00:36:38] It was early on.

[00:36:40] And he was there for it.

[00:36:41] And he said it was really fucked up.

[00:36:43] Yeah.

[00:36:43] Like it was super, he's like, this woman should not be doing this.

[00:36:48] And it was really fucked up.

[00:36:49] See, it's hard to, you know.

[00:36:52] Again, when do we get, how do we get to decide other people have to live or not?

[00:36:56] Yeah.

[00:36:56] It's our lives.

[00:36:57] We can end them if we want, I suppose.

[00:36:59] And so it's like, it's a weird.

[00:37:02] Yeah.

[00:37:03] There is no, there is no right or wrong in it.

[00:37:05] Cause like if you're deciding to end your own life, it's yours to take.

[00:37:10] Correct.

[00:37:10] Yeah.

[00:37:13] It's really tricky.

[00:37:15] Yeah.

[00:37:15] It's hard to navigate the conversation about it too, without people coming across and going

[00:37:20] like, oh, you're, you're really selfish for believing.

[00:37:22] It's like, no, he's not selfish.

[00:37:25] It's from somebody that's been through it and like directly with my mother.

[00:37:29] Yeah.

[00:37:30] It's her life.

[00:37:30] She's going to do what she wants to do with it.

[00:37:32] I'm, I'm happy that she chose to do it this way as opposed to any other way.

[00:37:37] And you know what?

[00:37:37] She's at peace.

[00:37:38] I'm at peace with that.

[00:37:39] Yeah.

[00:37:39] But again, she was chronically ill with like three or four different things on the go.

[00:37:44] Yeah.

[00:37:44] Her day to day life.

[00:37:45] Like any of those things could have caused the death.

[00:37:48] Correct.

[00:37:49] Any day.

[00:37:50] Yeah.

[00:37:50] Honestly.

[00:37:51] So it was like, we just, she chose to be in control of it.

[00:37:55] And it's, it's nice for people to have that, but it is so fucked up because it is so accessible.

[00:38:01] Yeah.

[00:38:01] It shouldn't be as accessible as it is.

[00:38:03] Yeah.

[00:38:03] Simply.

[00:38:04] Yeah.

[00:38:04] I think we all agree on that one.

[00:38:06] Yeah.

[00:38:07] Yeah.

[00:38:07] For sure.

[00:38:08] Others don't, but that's fine.

[00:38:09] But again, it's like, and it's such a weird situation because it's like now we've

[00:38:13] got who, how do people get to decide what you do with your life?

[00:38:17] Yeah.

[00:38:17] Yeah.

[00:38:17] Yeah.

[00:38:18] And it's like, well, someone should at least be preventing you.

[00:38:22] Yeah.

[00:38:22] If you want to, the doctor should be like, Hey, this is, I don't know.

[00:38:26] The fact that her doctor was like, Hey, should we take a look at this now?

[00:38:29] Like what?

[00:38:30] Yeah.

[00:38:31] Yeah.

[00:38:31] You know, like cool.

[00:38:32] But like, fuck man.

[00:38:33] It's just so, yeah.

[00:38:34] That's like, to me, that's fucking wrong.

[00:38:36] It is.

[00:38:36] It's like the opposite of what a doctor is supposed to be there for.

[00:38:39] Yeah.

[00:38:39] That's like the porn section in the old blog bus.

[00:38:43] Yeah.

[00:38:43] It's like, you don't want to, you don't want to be caught in that area.

[00:38:46] You know, it's there, but you don't, I'm going to quickly walk through this real fast.

[00:38:50] Nobody sees me over here.

[00:38:51] Yeah.

[00:38:52] Yeah.

[00:38:53] Don't they take the oath that they can't, they aren't supposed to do that shit.

[00:38:57] Like aren't they doctors?

[00:38:58] Yeah.

[00:38:58] The Hippocratic oath or whatever.

[00:39:00] They take the oath that they're here for the betterment of humans or whatever it is.

[00:39:03] And I guess for the betterment of humans, killing some of them is fine.

[00:39:05] I don't know.

[00:39:06] Yeah.

[00:39:06] I guess so.

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[00:40:40] So I want to touch on a little bit, how did all that affect your dad, your sister, like your family,

[00:40:47] and how much pressure did you feel from them going through that time when it was announced

[00:40:55] to you guys that your mom's doing it?

[00:40:56] It was kind of funny because my uncle almost applied pressure in a way.

[00:41:03] And it wasn't that he applied it intentionally or that that was his goal, but he was like,

[00:41:07] hey, are you doing this?

[00:41:08] That was your mom's brother.

[00:41:10] My mom's brother.

[00:41:11] And it wasn't like, are you doing this?

[00:41:13] It's like, hey, did you get your mom cream this week?

[00:41:15] Or, you know, just little, like he pushed me to kind of become involved with her life again,

[00:41:20] which I did.

[00:41:21] And my mom and my dad divorced when I was 18 in split ways,

[00:41:24] but my dad still remained involved because my mom, very dependent.

[00:41:29] She needed everybody in her life to do things for her because she couldn't do them herself.

[00:41:33] So he was always around.

[00:41:34] He would always do it.

[00:41:34] So your sister's older or younger than you?

[00:41:36] My sister's older.

[00:41:37] Okay.

[00:41:38] I think by about 10 years.

[00:41:41] So, and she...

[00:41:42] It was just the two of you, right?

[00:41:43] To open another, yeah, to open another can of worms.

[00:41:45] I didn't meet my sister until I was 12, but...

[00:41:47] Oh, okay.

[00:41:49] We can journey down that path at another time.

[00:41:51] This might be a two episode.

[00:41:52] Yeah.

[00:41:52] We'll definitely have to do that.

[00:41:54] She was affected the most.

[00:41:56] She came back into my life when I was in grade seven and immediately bonded with my mom.

[00:42:00] So it was like their relationship, they were the same person, but they had never met.

[00:42:06] So when they met, it was almost like the puzzle was completed.

[00:42:09] So my sister really attached to my mom for whatever reason she had,

[00:42:14] but my dad and I experienced my mom for 20 years and we were like, no.

[00:42:18] We're good.

[00:42:19] Hey, we're good.

[00:42:24] My dad was kind of like me and yeah, we knew it was coming.

[00:42:27] Like, you know, my sister though dreaded the day going up to the day.

[00:42:31] Like she was going through all of this stuff at home all at the same time.

[00:42:33] Like she, when my mom used maid, she was living in the abused women's shelter.

[00:42:38] So like it was all going on for my sister at once.

[00:42:41] She took it really, really hard.

[00:42:43] And still to this day feels it super hard.

[00:42:46] I don't think she ever had the time to process either situation properly.

[00:42:50] Whereas my dad and I, it was like the day that it happened.

[00:42:53] Great.

[00:42:53] The day that her apartment was clean, that was it.

[00:42:55] Like I was closed on that, that chapter done.

[00:42:59] And I was moving on.

[00:43:00] When did your mom pass away?

[00:43:02] November 24th of last year.

[00:43:03] Last year.

[00:43:04] So we just had the one year anniversary of that.

[00:43:06] And she, so yeah, my sister still struggles with it.

[00:43:09] I'm obviously, I'm, you know, moving on.

[00:43:11] I'm open to growing and learning and I use it kind of as like a tool to navigate.

[00:43:17] And I'm like, oh, if I can deal with that mentally and like process through that, I can

[00:43:23] probably, you know, process my way through most things.

[00:43:25] Yeah.

[00:43:26] You've used it to find strength in yourself.

[00:43:28] Correct.

[00:43:28] Yeah.

[00:43:28] Which it would force, I guess, in a way.

[00:43:31] Yeah.

[00:43:31] What was the, sorry, I don't know if you mentioned, but what was the timeline between like when

[00:43:35] she decided, okay, I want to do this and when it happened?

[00:43:39] April.

[00:43:39] So April of last year.

[00:43:40] Okay.

[00:43:41] So it was like six months.

[00:43:42] Found out that she was off the lung transplant list and that that was no longer an option

[00:43:46] for her, which was her little glimmer of hope.

[00:43:48] Yeah.

[00:43:49] So once that was removed, she was like, bah, let's start.

[00:43:53] So she, and then went through all the appointments six months later.

[00:43:56] She had, as of July though, so it was like April to July that did the process.

[00:44:00] And then as of July, they were like, you can pick any day.

[00:44:03] Okay.

[00:44:03] So she pushed it through.

[00:44:04] She did the family trip.

[00:44:05] She's like, I'm going to hold on as long as I can.

[00:44:07] Maybe I can make it one more Christmas.

[00:44:09] And then we got to like November and she was like, I really don't think.

[00:44:12] She was in and out of St.

[00:44:13] Norbert health center or not St.

[00:44:14] Norbert, sorry.

[00:44:16] Riverview.

[00:44:17] Okay.

[00:44:17] Yeah.

[00:44:18] So she was in and out of there a few times and she's like, I can't, I can't keep doing

[00:44:21] this anymore, but I don't want to do it at Riverview.

[00:44:23] I want to do it at home in my bed.

[00:44:25] Cool.

[00:44:25] Yeah.

[00:44:25] Do you like pick your day?

[00:44:26] Um, her friends took it really hard.

[00:44:30] Like my mom's best friend, they spoke on the phone every day for like three hours.

[00:44:33] What are you just talking about?

[00:44:35] How do you do that?

[00:44:36] You're both retired women, like sitting at home.

[00:44:39] I don't want to be on the phone for 10 minutes with anybody.

[00:44:42] Don't call me.

[00:44:43] Don't ever phone me.

[00:44:44] Like I hate that shit.

[00:44:46] Shoot me an email.

[00:44:47] Shoot me a message.

[00:44:48] We can text all day off and on, but like, please don't call me.

[00:44:50] Yeah.

[00:44:51] They would sit on the phone for like hours on end and I'm like, well, you guys just put

[00:44:55] on the same show and chat.

[00:44:56] Like, so she's still like really struggling with it.

[00:44:59] She calls me often and I always make the time to answer that call.

[00:45:02] Cause I'm like, if I sense that she's calling me, I'm like, ah, she probably wants to talk.

[00:45:06] You know?

[00:45:06] Yeah.

[00:45:08] She's in the spot where she might need.

[00:45:10] So now you're having three hour conversations with her.

[00:45:12] No, I keep them to like a max 25 minutes.

[00:45:17] I make sure I navigate it quite well.

[00:45:20] So there are people in her life, like her brother took it really hard.

[00:45:22] We had a nice little service and my mom didn't want a funeral.

[00:45:25] Like she didn't.

[00:45:26] And that pissed off a lot of my family.

[00:45:28] Actually, I had so much blowback from my family.

[00:45:30] Why weren't we invited?

[00:45:32] Yeah.

[00:45:32] Well, you, she didn't want anything.

[00:45:34] So we did like a very intimate, it was like me, my dad, my sister, obviously my family,

[00:45:39] my sister's family was there and then her brother and both of their kids.

[00:45:43] So it was like very, very small, like immediate family.

[00:45:46] So a lot of my family was like, oh, why would your mom do that?

[00:45:49] Like, why would she make the selfish decision to do this?

[00:45:51] Why wouldn't she have a funeral?

[00:45:52] Why didn't she think about us wanting to say goodbye?

[00:45:53] It's like, fuck off.

[00:45:55] Ask her.

[00:45:56] Yeah.

[00:45:57] Call me and arrange your appointment.

[00:45:59] When you get there, you can talk to her.

[00:46:01] Yeah.

[00:46:02] Not my fucking problem.

[00:46:04] Correct.

[00:46:04] Yeah.

[00:46:05] But it's hard because everybody's struggling and everybody's grieving.

[00:46:08] I guess everyone won their closure.

[00:46:10] Well, and everyone's version of closure and how they grieve is different and unique.

[00:46:15] And they're all important.

[00:46:16] Correct.

[00:46:16] But how do you, the person's gone.

[00:46:19] You're just honoring their wishes.

[00:46:20] That's all.

[00:46:21] Like, I'm not, it's not like.

[00:46:22] Do you think I wanted to exclude you?

[00:46:24] It's not like I'm excluding you.

[00:46:25] Like, I was just doing what mom wanted.

[00:46:28] I'm surprised you wanted to be there.

[00:46:29] Like, you know, like why, you know?

[00:46:31] Yeah.

[00:46:32] So there was a situation too where her other best friend that she'd grown up with since childhood,

[00:46:37] which was she considered her sister.

[00:46:38] I call her an aunt who lives in the States.

[00:46:42] Didn't get the phone call that she was supposed to get on the morning of the appointment.

[00:46:46] Oh shit.

[00:46:47] So I had the weight of calling her and being like, Hey, Auntie Colleen.

[00:46:53] Oh fuck.

[00:46:54] She's gone.

[00:46:55] Yeah.

[00:46:56] I know you didn't get to say goodbye, but here's her message.

[00:46:58] And she just obviously sobbed to me on the phone.

[00:47:01] She made the trip to come up.

[00:47:02] She was here for the service as well.

[00:47:03] We planted a tree.

[00:47:04] It was a beautiful thing.

[00:47:05] But I would say I dealt with it the easiest out of everybody.

[00:47:09] And I think that has a lot to do with my stance on my relationship with my mom.

[00:47:13] Same with my dad.

[00:47:14] But my sister, like everybody else around them, I'm watching and I'm like, wow.

[00:47:17] Like I would almost love to feel this grief and I would love to have that soreness.

[00:47:24] But I just, I didn't.

[00:47:25] For me, it was almost like a weight was lifted.

[00:47:27] And I said goodbye.

[00:47:28] I said my peace.

[00:47:29] I made amends.

[00:47:30] I forgave her, which was a big thing for me.

[00:47:35] That must have been hard.

[00:47:36] Yeah.

[00:47:36] I think holding on to a grudge is like the worst thing anybody can do because it doesn't

[00:47:40] solve anything.

[00:47:41] It doesn't do any good, right?

[00:47:42] No.

[00:47:43] And I didn't wait until the day of her appointment to do it.

[00:47:46] I made sure that I went to her place by myself weeks ahead of time just so that we had that

[00:47:53] or she had that last few weeks of like, okay, my son loves me.

[00:47:57] I wanted her to feel that.

[00:47:59] That's good.

[00:47:59] So I did that.

[00:48:00] I kind of made the choice to do that.

[00:48:02] But yeah, everybody like just watching everybody grieve deeply.

[00:48:05] I was like, ah.

[00:48:06] Yeah.

[00:48:07] You just, I didn't have that experience.

[00:48:08] Like I don't.

[00:48:09] Yeah.

[00:48:09] And like I said, I think that kind of plays a part with the relationship I had with her

[00:48:13] growing up and throughout my adult life.

[00:48:15] But yeah, it didn't hit the same for me as it hit for everybody else.

[00:48:18] Mm-hmm.

[00:48:19] Yeah.

[00:48:19] Well, I mean, in one way, it's a good thing.

[00:48:23] Yeah.

[00:48:24] I had a few like family members that passed away and we weren't close at all.

[00:48:30] And I had no problem with, you know, letting go.

[00:48:35] Right.

[00:48:35] Right.

[00:48:36] The, there was a couple of people that were hard for me to, like, I actually took a day

[00:48:41] off from work.

[00:48:42] Yeah.

[00:48:44] So it's, it's, it's, it's tough, but yeah, I don't, I think I'm, I'm shocked more about

[00:48:51] deaths that like are sudden and not nice.

[00:48:57] Unexpected.

[00:48:57] Yeah.

[00:48:57] Yeah.

[00:48:58] Like the tragic ones.

[00:48:59] Like.

[00:48:59] Yeah, for sure.

[00:48:59] If someone's sick and, and they, they died like that, like, okay, there's nothing that

[00:49:05] could have been done.

[00:49:06] Right.

[00:49:06] So, um, but yeah, I, it's, it's, it's funerals.

[00:49:10] Like I don't, I don't like going to funerals.

[00:49:12] I fucking hate them.

[00:49:13] I don't like funerals, but I like funerals here in North America because I love how it's

[00:49:22] the, like they, they tell stories.

[00:49:24] It's a celebration of life.

[00:49:25] Right.

[00:49:26] I like that term a lot because in Europe it's fucking sad, depressing.

[00:49:31] You have a priest there and then there's nothing good at all, you know?

[00:49:34] And I kind of just told the wife to, I'm like, I don't want a fucking funeral.

[00:49:39] Like.

[00:49:40] Have a bonfire.

[00:49:42] First of all, I can't believe how much money they're charging for that shit.

[00:49:48] It's absolutely ridiculous.

[00:49:49] It's astronomical.

[00:49:50] That you're cashing in on someone's death.

[00:49:52] Like, I'm sorry, but the, the earn should not be seven, eight hundred or thousand dollars,

[00:49:58] you know?

[00:49:59] Like.

[00:49:59] Yeah.

[00:50:00] Like, like I told my wife, just flush me down.

[00:50:02] Put me in a fucking coffee, coffee tin or whatever.

[00:50:05] That's what my mom's in is an Edwards coffee tin.

[00:50:08] Put me in a whiskey bottle.

[00:50:09] Yeah.

[00:50:10] Exactly.

[00:50:10] Yeah.

[00:50:10] Like, yeah.

[00:50:11] Get a flask or whatever, you know?

[00:50:12] Like, like, yeah, it's, it's absolutely ridiculous.

[00:50:16] And, and I just don't like that whole idea of like, Ooh, no, have a party.

[00:50:21] Fucking get Danny's whole hog barbecue, you know?

[00:50:24] And invite people that want to come by and whatever.

[00:50:26] Tell jokes.

[00:50:27] I don't care.

[00:50:27] Like I want people to pissing themselves laughing about stories that they tell about me.

[00:50:30] Don't sit there crying about me.

[00:50:32] Yeah.

[00:50:32] Exactly.

[00:50:33] Yeah.

[00:50:33] Like, um, anyways, um, well, uh, you know, it's, it's what it's thanks for sharing.

[00:50:39] Like, yeah.

[00:50:40] Um, now I, I understand like, like when you kind of told me about the story, I'm like, Ooh,

[00:50:46] this is going to be interesting.

[00:50:46] But now I get it.

[00:50:47] Like where are you coming from?

[00:50:49] What happened and how you dealt with it.

[00:50:51] So good for you.

[00:50:52] Yeah.

[00:50:52] Thank you.

[00:50:52] Um, obviously you had your, your beautiful wife supporting YouTube along this cause she

[00:50:58] was, she's, she's, she's awesome.

[00:51:00] Yeah.

[00:51:00] Like I've, I've met her a handful of times.

[00:51:02] She sounds like a lovely lady.

[00:51:04] Yeah, she is.

[00:51:04] And I see her every time on the wrestling United show, uh, supporting you guys too.

[00:51:09] So, so let's talk about that a little bit now, you know, let's end on a positive.

[00:51:14] Um, tell us about wrestling United.

[00:51:17] Like there's nothing more manly.

[00:51:19] Like you go to a wrestling show, like entertainment wrestling, right?

[00:51:23] And you see a bunch of men.

[00:51:25] I've never been to one.

[00:51:26] So come on January 9th.

[00:51:27] Like I've never been to WWF or whatever it is now.

[00:51:30] And like, I've just never, I've never been to a wrestling show.

[00:51:33] So here's my take on wrestling.

[00:51:35] And before we go into wrestling, I, I've, as a kid, I'm like, Ooh, this is cool.

[00:51:39] Right.

[00:51:39] Never, never seen one live.

[00:51:41] And then I moved here to Winnipeg and WWE came by.

[00:51:44] Right.

[00:51:44] And we were sitting far away.

[00:51:46] I think even maybe in the nosebleeds.

[00:51:47] I'm like, man, I can't fucking tell it's fake from here.

[00:51:50] Like clearly on TV, the camera angles make a huge difference.

[00:51:55] Live.

[00:51:56] It can kind of tell, okay, these are totally fake punches.

[00:51:58] And that was like a realization for me.

[00:52:00] Like, can you, it's not real, but now I can really see that it's not real, but I haven't

[00:52:06] really gone to matches.

[00:52:08] I mean, I've seen online the local ones, you know, it's in a gym, lights are on, there's

[00:52:12] the, the, the, the fighting rink on there.

[00:52:15] And then like, Oh, still like this, I don't know, this blows.

[00:52:18] And then you guys, you know, you reached out to me and like, Hey, we're doing this thing.

[00:52:22] And I came to the first event.

[00:52:23] I was like, this is fucking awesome, man.

[00:52:26] Like, like your, your crew, your setup, your fighters, uh, absolutely fantastic entertainment.

[00:52:35] Yeah.

[00:52:36] Thank you.

[00:52:36] I have to say that I, I, I became a fan now for sure.

[00:52:39] And that's our goal is like, there's already a pretty solid, uh, local demographic for wrestling.

[00:52:46] There is.

[00:52:46] We've got, you know, there's three other counterparts to ours.

[00:52:49] Um, the Winnipeg pro wrestling, Canadians wrestling elite and blaze pro wrestling are all other

[00:52:54] local promotions locally.

[00:52:55] So us as wrestling United.

[00:52:56] Oh, so there's like a bunch.

[00:52:58] Oh, there's four.

[00:52:58] Yeah.

[00:52:59] There's four, including us.

[00:53:00] Okay.

[00:53:01] So within like, you know, everybody's got their own little niche thing going on, but we wanted

[00:53:05] to create new wrestling fans.

[00:53:07] We wanted to really dive into families and, and a good fun night out.

[00:53:12] Um, so that was kind of our goal with that, you know, a couple of roadblocks along the way,

[00:53:15] but I super proud of the product we've built.

[00:53:18] We've got a really deep roster of fantastic talent that have trained all over the world.

[00:53:22] Um, you know, we've got some sort of a professional standard.

[00:53:25] So what you see in our ring, you're not going to see it any other promotion locally.

[00:53:28] Okay.

[00:53:29] We're very unique in that sense.

[00:53:30] Whereas all the other local promotions kind of share roster.

[00:53:32] You'll see the same person on every show kind of thing.

[00:53:35] Not on wrestling United.

[00:53:36] Yours is like your own.

[00:53:37] Yeah.

[00:53:38] Okay.

[00:53:38] Very, very, you know, some of them you'll, you'll see, we've got a handful of guys that

[00:53:41] you'll see on the other shows, but we don't, we don't go out of that, um, bubble.

[00:53:45] We've got our nice little bubble of roster and I guess it's different.

[00:53:48] Wrestling United is different.

[00:53:49] It's fun.

[00:53:50] Um, we work with Red Rover entertainment.

[00:53:52] I was going to bring them up.

[00:53:53] Yeah.

[00:53:53] Like the, the whole setup.

[00:53:55] Yeah.

[00:53:56] It looks like WWE man on TV.

[00:53:58] Like totally like all you guys need to do is start broadcasting now.

[00:54:01] And you know what?

[00:54:02] Yeah.

[00:54:03] We've talked about it.

[00:54:04] It's, it's something that, you know, um, might, might eventually happen one day, but

[00:54:08] you know, we're right now just really working on our, our base and, and perfecting what

[00:54:12] we do.

[00:54:13] Cause we're only firing, I'd say at about like 75%.

[00:54:15] Yeah.

[00:54:15] Shit goes wrong every show.

[00:54:16] Right.

[00:54:18] There's always going to be some sort of a flop in certain areas.

[00:54:20] Figuring it out.

[00:54:21] Yeah.

[00:54:21] We work through it.

[00:54:22] And like I said, we're only on going into show four.

[00:54:24] Show four will be January.

[00:54:25] Right.

[00:54:25] So this is like only your fourth.

[00:54:27] We're brand new.

[00:54:28] Okay.

[00:54:28] This is just the 2024 was your year.

[00:54:31] Yeah.

[00:54:31] We, we, we, uh, debuted May 16th, 2024.

[00:54:34] Okay.

[00:54:35] Yeah.

[00:54:35] So.

[00:54:36] And what's your, like, what's your, how often, I guess, what does the market want?

[00:54:41] How often would you want to put on an event?

[00:54:44] We run about six to eight shows a year.

[00:54:46] So our goal is a minimum of six.

[00:54:48] Okay.

[00:54:49] With the option to, if we have an opportunity, we'll branch out and do more.

[00:54:52] Yeah.

[00:54:53] Obviously.

[00:54:53] Um, so we're going to run our majors.

[00:54:55] Like we'll run our anniversary show in May.

[00:54:57] We'll run our summer show.

[00:54:58] Usually probably July sometime fall show in October.

[00:55:01] Beginning of the year.

[00:55:02] Um, you know, is going to be a little bit more frequent in Winnipeg.

[00:55:06] Right.

[00:55:06] Cause it's winter.

[00:55:06] People want things to go do inside.

[00:55:08] Yeah.

[00:55:09] That's right.

[00:55:09] Yeah.

[00:55:09] Warm.

[00:55:09] Right.

[00:55:10] Yeah.

[00:55:10] Um, you got to be careful when you're booking to make sure that you're not competing against

[00:55:14] the jets or concerts or whatever might be going on in the summer, the bombers, the gold

[00:55:19] eyes, all that stuff.

[00:55:20] Right.

[00:55:21] So just be cognizant about when you're booking so that people want to have, be available

[00:55:25] to come down to your show.

[00:55:25] So, but I mean, I've seen some of those wrestling fans.

[00:55:28] Now I went to a couple events and I see the same people coming back.

[00:55:32] And the funniest thing was, uh, I was, uh, I was sitting down and, um, looked over and

[00:55:39] then there's this four gentlemen anywhere from, I'd say 20 to 30 years old and they're just

[00:55:45] into it.

[00:55:46] And I'm like, I thought the kids would be doing that, but no, these are adults that are just

[00:55:51] like, you know, like cheering and like, yeah, fuck it.

[00:55:54] I hit him, you know, or whatever.

[00:55:56] Like it was, it just blew my mind that like people are so into it.

[00:56:00] And then that was my first event.

[00:56:04] And it's there, there I was in second event, me and our buddy Tom is like, yeah,

[00:56:09] let's go.

[00:56:10] Like we were doing the same thing, you know?

[00:56:12] And it's, it's wrestling is a men's soap opera.

[00:56:16] Yeah.

[00:56:16] Like you think like days of our lives are like that reality TV, the Kardashian, that's it

[00:56:20] for men.

[00:56:21] Right.

[00:56:21] Men get bought into the storylines.

[00:56:23] Like, and people can say, yeah, wrestling is fake.

[00:56:25] You know, the bumps that those guys are taken, still taking a toll on their body.

[00:56:29] Like they're doing some crazy shit in this ring, but it's the stories and the connection

[00:56:33] between the fan and the audience and the baby face and the heel.

[00:56:36] Like, are you a good guy or a bad guy?

[00:56:38] Right.

[00:56:38] Yeah.

[00:56:38] You know, are you connecting?

[00:56:39] Are you getting through?

[00:56:40] Are the fans making noise for you?

[00:56:41] Or is it quite like, you know, it's yeah.

[00:56:44] I recently watched that Vince McMahon documentary.

[00:56:47] Great documentary.

[00:56:48] Yeah.

[00:56:48] That series.

[00:56:49] And like, Hey, that guy's fucked.

[00:56:51] Yep.

[00:56:52] Like he's fucked.

[00:56:54] B, it was really, really interesting.

[00:56:56] Like it was super interesting.

[00:56:57] I, I, when did I watch, I watched wrestling in the stone cold rock days.

[00:57:02] Okay.

[00:57:02] So the attitude era.

[00:57:03] Like that's what the attitude.

[00:57:04] Yeah.

[00:57:04] The attitude era.

[00:57:04] That's, that's the only time in my life I watched.

[00:57:07] I really watched wrestling, but like great period of time.

[00:57:09] Oh man.

[00:57:10] Well, yeah.

[00:57:11] And for me, that's the only one I did watch, but like, it was so fun.

[00:57:14] Like it was just, it was entertainment.

[00:57:16] It was crazy and dramatic and all that shit.

[00:57:19] Like it's the soap opera.

[00:57:20] It made you want to watch it.

[00:57:21] It was like, Oh, this happened last week.

[00:57:23] What's going to happen on Monday?

[00:57:24] This is great.

[00:57:24] It was great.

[00:57:25] I loved it.

[00:57:26] No.

[00:57:26] So, and I'm not, I don't want to, I don't want to shit on all the other wrestling.

[00:57:30] Yeah.

[00:57:30] No, no, no.

[00:57:31] Because do you guys play friendly in the sandbox with each other or that's a note?

[00:57:35] We, we do.

[00:57:37] We play nice in the sandbox.

[00:57:38] We don't have to take a deep dive on that one.

[00:57:43] You know, Mike has his show as well.

[00:57:45] Yeah.

[00:57:45] I wanted to give a shout out to Beast Cheese Wrestling.

[00:57:48] I podcast because they do play our, uh, uh, the Quiet Riot Show, um, uh, add on there.

[00:57:54] So every episode.

[00:57:55] Yeah.

[00:57:56] Yeah.

[00:57:56] So I want to give them a shout out for sure.

[00:57:57] So that's one of the bigger, that's the main organizer, I guess.

[00:58:01] Right.

[00:58:01] Mike.

[00:58:01] Yeah.

[00:58:02] That's my business partner.

[00:58:02] He's the fan, like the initial one that approached me and he was like, do you want to be a part

[00:58:08] of this?

[00:58:08] Yeah.

[00:58:08] I said, yeah.

[00:58:09] So he offered me a percentage and away we go.

[00:58:13] Co-founder Zach over here.

[00:58:14] That's awesome.

[00:58:15] Yeah.

[00:58:15] Yeah.

[00:58:15] It was really cool actually how it kind of worked up because of my time in the entertainment

[00:58:19] industry, my touring, my production background.

[00:58:22] Yeah.

[00:58:22] I had been listening to his show and I was like, oh, you're thinking about starting up.

[00:58:25] This is interesting.

[00:58:26] So I shot him a message cause I've known him for years.

[00:58:28] Um, so I shot him a message and I said, Hey man, like if you're thinking about starting

[00:58:31] up, let me know what you need production wise.

[00:58:33] I said, and I'll make sure you're taken care of.

[00:58:35] Like this would be super cool to be involved with.

[00:58:37] He started calling me for a bunch of favors.

[00:58:38] Hey, can you give me some venues?

[00:58:40] Can you give me a cost on this and a quote on this and this and this and this and this?

[00:58:43] So I was like, yeah, I got him some partners.

[00:58:45] It's like, I'm doing all those things.

[00:58:47] And he goes, Hey man, like you've done quite a bit.

[00:58:49] Would you, would you like to come in on this with me?

[00:58:51] I was like, yeah, let's do it.

[00:58:52] Right.

[00:58:56] I don't know what I was saying, but yeah.

[00:58:58] Uh, so I mean, and at this point I haven't seen a cent back and I don't think any of us

[00:59:02] have and might put in a healthy chunk of change.

[00:59:04] Who got there?

[00:59:05] Exactly.

[00:59:05] And that's, it's time.

[00:59:07] It takes time.

[00:59:07] It's 100%.

[00:59:08] We're still building our fan base.

[00:59:10] We're still working out our kinks.

[00:59:11] Like I said, we're not firing at a hundred percent, but we will be.

[00:59:13] Yeah.

[00:59:13] We're on our way there.

[00:59:14] And I think we're, we're on a very nice upward trend right now.

[00:59:18] And that's what anything podcast businesses, you know, like you're not supposed to make money

[00:59:22] in the first year in your business.

[00:59:23] No.

[00:59:24] Really?

[00:59:24] No.

[00:59:24] I mean, if you can break even, that's a fucking win.

[00:59:28] Yeah.

[00:59:28] And being happy with a break even is a big thing.

[00:59:31] Like some people look at a break even and go, ah, that wasn't successful.

[00:59:35] No, it was because last show you were deep in the red.

[00:59:37] This show you're zeros.

[00:59:39] Yeah.

[00:59:39] Yeah.

[00:59:40] How is that not a good thing?

[00:59:41] Right.

[00:59:41] Exactly.

[00:59:41] Which I'm not relating to our situation at all.

[00:59:43] That's quite different.

[00:59:43] Yeah.

[00:59:44] Yeah.

[00:59:44] Building, you're building something from nothing.

[00:59:46] Yeah.

[00:59:46] And so like that takes time.

[00:59:48] It takes, you're trying to get people on board.

[00:59:49] You're trying to refine your product.

[00:59:51] Like those things, all that that is, is time.

[00:59:55] If you guys are smart, then it's just about time.

[00:59:57] And we have to repeat this so many times to get the thing that we were trying to achieve.

[01:00:01] And like, you don't do that in a year.

[01:00:02] You don't do that in like, you've done what?

[01:00:05] This is your fifth event coming up?

[01:00:07] Fourth.

[01:00:07] Fourth in January.

[01:00:08] So we've done three shows.

[01:00:09] Yeah.

[01:00:10] What can you expect of yourselves and like all that after three shows?

[01:00:14] Yeah.

[01:00:15] Amazing.

[01:00:16] How is this now affecting your mental health?

[01:00:20] Like, have you been a wrestling fan your whole life?

[01:00:23] Or you just kind of got, like I said, you listen to the show.

[01:00:26] You knew Mike.

[01:00:28] Did you just kind of get into it?

[01:00:30] I got into wrestling at a really young age.

[01:00:32] My dad was a wrestling fan.

[01:00:33] So him and I would sit down and watch.

[01:00:36] It kind of evolved over time as I grew up.

[01:00:39] I kind of followed it on my own without my dad kind of thing.

[01:00:42] And then I met my best friend of almost 15 to 20 years, somewhere in there, Dorian, which you know.

[01:00:50] Him and I started watching wrestling together because he was a big wrestling fan as well.

[01:00:54] So it's like, oh, this is a common interest.

[01:00:55] We do Monday Night Raw.

[01:00:56] We'd always get together for Monday and watch wrestling.

[01:00:58] And pay-per-views.

[01:00:59] We'd do prediction pools and stuff.

[01:01:00] Oh, okay.

[01:01:01] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:01:01] So when Mike and I were physically drowning in work, he was like, we need a third person.

[01:01:07] I said, I know just the guy.

[01:01:08] I got the guy.

[01:01:09] Yeah, yeah.

[01:01:10] So I called my best friend and I said, hey, man, you want to get involved?

[01:01:14] And he was like, I've been waiting.

[01:01:19] So it's like you kind of found your – it makes you happy.

[01:01:22] It's a passion project as much as it's a business.

[01:01:25] Like we're running a business, but I enjoy it.

[01:01:27] I don't want to call it a hobby.

[01:01:29] Yeah.

[01:01:30] But it's absolutely a project and there's absolutely passion in it.

[01:01:33] And I love that I get to take my love for wrestling and my love for live entertainment and combine them.

[01:01:38] Combine it, yeah.

[01:01:39] That's big for me.

[01:01:40] Yeah, because you work for Red Rover Entertainment.

[01:01:42] I do, yeah.

[01:01:43] And then you guys were touring.

[01:01:44] Like I know you went to Saudi Arabia or whatever.

[01:01:47] Yeah, that was – yeah.

[01:01:48] Yeah.

[01:01:48] I've been all over the world with them.

[01:01:50] And it's like – I've known you now for –

[01:01:52] I don't know.

[01:01:53] Seven or eight years.

[01:01:53] Yeah, something like that.

[01:01:54] And like, yeah, this guy's like, yeah, I can't come play hockey because I'm on tour.

[01:01:57] I'm like, what the fuck is he doing that he's on tour?

[01:01:59] Like, I don't think he can play an instrument, you know?

[01:02:02] But like –

[01:02:02] I do drum.

[01:02:03] Or I used to drum.

[01:02:04] But yeah, no, I'm very production.

[01:02:06] Yeah, but like it was – so yeah, I heard about that.

[01:02:08] I was like, fuck, this is awesome.

[01:02:09] Like you get to see the world.

[01:02:11] You're in entertainment industry.

[01:02:14] And now you get to do it here too with them.

[01:02:16] I love it because, yeah, it's at home.

[01:02:18] And I can like – yeah, you do shows at home and you do gigs here and there for this company

[01:02:23] or that company or this corporation.

[01:02:25] Like you do galas.

[01:02:26] There's always that side of it.

[01:02:27] But it's not often that you get to do like a show at home and have your friends and family come on.

[01:02:32] And a big thing for me is I like to see the smiles on the faces of the people attending the show.

[01:02:37] Yeah.

[01:02:38] I'm not ever part of the show as a lighting guy.

[01:02:39] Like, cool, yeah, I make the lights go.

[01:02:41] They go to the music, whatever.

[01:02:42] Or I tour manage.

[01:02:43] I'm behind the scenes making sure all the artists are taking care of.

[01:02:45] The venue's good.

[01:02:46] But you always take a moment to see the smiles.

[01:02:49] And that's what it is for me.

[01:02:50] You peek out from behind the curtains.

[01:02:52] Yeah.

[01:02:52] Yeah.

[01:02:52] So getting to do that at home or like whenever I – if I'm on a tour and the show rolls through Winnipeg,

[01:02:57] it's like everybody's always like, hey, can I come to your show?

[01:03:00] Can I get tickets?

[01:03:02] Yeah.

[01:03:02] I want you guys to come and experience this with me.

[01:03:04] I want to share my joy with you.

[01:03:05] I want all of these things.

[01:03:07] And that's what it is for me in that industry.

[01:03:08] So combining the two, it doesn't get any better for me.

[01:03:12] Well, and so you guys have great sponsors behind you too.

[01:03:15] Like, again, Red Rover Entertainment.

[01:03:17] You have their –

[01:03:17] Soviet Media.

[01:03:18] I have my graphics designs.

[01:03:20] But like you guys have Odin Tattoo on there.

[01:03:22] You guys have Pre Game still on?

[01:03:25] Yeah.

[01:03:26] Pre Game still does our post game.

[01:03:27] So I got to say, I don't think you've been to Pre Game yet.

[01:03:30] But we have to go and get drunk there.

[01:03:32] It's amazing.

[01:03:32] It's a nice little spot.

[01:03:34] Is that the old La Garage?

[01:03:35] Yeah, it's the old La Garage.

[01:03:37] Oh, yeah.

[01:03:37] On Che.

[01:03:38] Yeah.

[01:03:38] They have wing deals.

[01:03:40] Beers are priced well.

[01:03:41] Their burgers are really good too.

[01:03:42] I actually haven't had that.

[01:03:43] But yeah, like it's a nice little nook.

[01:03:45] And after party on the 9th will be fun.

[01:03:48] It's going to be packed this time.

[01:03:50] Yeah, we need a table.

[01:03:51] I think we should bring our own folding table.

[01:03:55] We're good.

[01:03:55] We just set up over here.

[01:03:57] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:03:57] Where is your event in –

[01:03:59] Where and when?

[01:04:00] Yeah, do your plug.

[01:04:01] So I can do the plug if you want.

[01:04:02] Yeah, sure.

[01:04:03] So it's January 9th at CCFM JPA Hall.

[01:04:06] 7 p.m. door –

[01:04:07] Sorry, 7 p.m. is Bell.

[01:04:09] Doors open at 545.

[01:04:11] You can get your tickets on our Eventbrite page,

[01:04:13] which is thursdaynightwrestling.eventbrite.ca.

[01:04:15] We'll throw a link in our pod script and on YouTube.

[01:04:18] Yeah, January 9th.

[01:04:20] Yeah, so I will be there for sure.

[01:04:23] I know you will be.

[01:04:24] I guess I should go.

[01:04:24] Yeah, come down, man.

[01:04:25] Okay.

[01:04:26] I'm coming.

[01:04:27] We'll take care of that.

[01:04:27] I'm coming.

[01:04:28] So you've got to save one drinking day for –

[01:04:31] Fuck.

[01:04:31] And you know what's kind of –

[01:04:32] I don't know –

[01:04:34] Is your other business tied in?

[01:04:36] Like has that been acknowledged here?

[01:04:37] Do people know?

[01:04:38] We haven't.

[01:04:39] What you do?

[01:04:40] Oh, yeah, kind of.

[01:04:41] Well, we haven't specifically said the name.

[01:04:43] So we're bringing in Matt Riddle,

[01:04:47] who is a very avid agricultural consumer.

[01:04:52] So I reached out to our mutual friend, Tina,

[01:04:55] our mutual connection, Tina,

[01:04:56] and I was like, hey,

[01:04:57] do you guys want to do something with this guy?

[01:04:59] So we're kind of, I guess,

[01:05:00] trying to put that together.

[01:05:01] But yeah, he –

[01:05:03] I was like, hey, can you –

[01:05:04] Tim maybe?

[01:05:05] Call Tim?

[01:05:05] Yeah.

[01:05:06] So we sorted it out.

[01:05:07] I think Tina did anyways.

[01:05:09] And so, yeah, Matt Riddle,

[01:05:11] he's coming in January 9th.

[01:05:13] He used to be in the WWE,

[01:05:15] and he has an 8-2 record,

[01:05:17] 8-3 record in the UFC.

[01:05:18] Okay.

[01:05:19] So he's a badass dude.

[01:05:20] Wrestles barefoot, like gives you a flex.

[01:05:22] I can help with –

[01:05:23] Yeah.

[01:05:23] Let's do that.

[01:05:24] Yeah, yeah.

[01:05:25] Yeah, you guys always bring in like a big name.

[01:05:27] Always.

[01:05:28] At least one on every show.

[01:05:29] And it's not necessarily what I would consider

[01:05:31] like a massive star,

[01:05:32] but it's people that I know had a really good run

[01:05:35] and that Mike knows

[01:05:36] and that Dory knows

[01:05:36] had a really good run in their career

[01:05:37] and are still relevant

[01:05:38] and are still like selling tickets

[01:05:40] and are still able to put on a good show.

[01:05:42] Like we have a very –

[01:05:44] a good bar set for the standard,

[01:05:47] the quality of the wrestler

[01:05:48] that we put in our ring, right?

[01:05:49] Yeah.

[01:05:50] So Mike is very cognizant of that.

[01:05:51] Always runs the idea by us,

[01:05:53] and we make sure that we bring in somebody

[01:05:54] that's going to engage with the fans.

[01:05:56] Yeah.

[01:05:56] You guys had also a couple women fighting every show.

[01:06:03] Yep.

[01:06:04] And I love that, man.

[01:06:06] Like there's just like these beautiful women

[01:06:09] beat the shit out of each other.

[01:06:10] Like it blows my mind.

[01:06:12] It's like, okay, it's natural for men to fight,

[01:06:14] but like for women, no.

[01:06:16] And like they're tough, man.

[01:06:18] And like fake or not fake,

[01:06:21] I would not want them to jump on me

[01:06:23] because they would break me in three, four places.

[01:06:26] I think something that's going to blow your mind,

[01:06:29] Relentless Riley Rose,

[01:06:30] is only 18.

[01:06:31] What?

[01:06:32] Yeah.

[01:06:33] Holy.

[01:06:33] So she has dedicated her life to wrestling

[01:06:36] and started training as a teenager.

[01:06:37] Her mom supports her, travels with her everywhere.

[01:06:39] Oh, okay.

[01:06:39] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:06:40] She was somebody that we really had our eyes set on

[01:06:42] because we know she is going to like-

[01:06:44] Up and coming.

[01:06:44] She's going to go.

[01:06:45] She's going to hit it.

[01:06:46] Yeah.

[01:06:46] She's awesome.

[01:06:47] She just won.

[01:06:48] And she's super sweet.

[01:06:48] She's the nicest.

[01:06:50] Oh my God, yeah.

[01:06:50] I remember I was like, yeah, this is a sweet, sweet girl.

[01:06:53] I would not want to be in that square.

[01:06:55] No, she's badass.

[01:06:56] Yeah.

[01:06:57] She's on my do not fuck with list.

[01:06:59] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:06:59] A hundred percent, yeah.

[01:07:00] So yeah, just absolutely amazing.

[01:07:02] The whole crew, your dad's on the crew.

[01:07:05] He is, yeah.

[01:07:05] Yeah, he's there.

[01:07:06] I know Dustin from the music scene too.

[01:07:09] Like, yeah, you guys show up the day before.

[01:07:12] You put everything together.

[01:07:14] It looks absolutely professional.

[01:07:17] I wish you guys nothing but the best moving forward.

[01:07:20] I hope to be part of it too.

[01:07:21] I hope so too.

[01:07:22] As with the sponsor.

[01:07:23] And there are some struggles, you know, but I love doing it.

[01:07:28] I absolutely love doing it.

[01:07:29] We're super needy.

[01:07:30] So yeah, that's what this guy is.

[01:07:33] Most young developing businesses are.

[01:07:34] Yeah, yeah.

[01:07:35] But, you know, that's why when you kind of reached out to me first,

[01:07:38] I was like, look, let me do this.

[01:07:40] Like, screw it.

[01:07:41] Like, I want to be part of it.

[01:07:43] Awesome.

[01:07:43] And we appreciate you.

[01:07:44] She had that attitude about all the work you do for me.

[01:07:46] Yeah.

[01:07:47] Side of it.

[01:07:48] Fuck.

[01:07:49] All right.

[01:07:49] We need another hour.

[01:07:50] Let's do this.

[01:07:52] Well, let me tell you what I think.

[01:07:53] Let's unpack this.

[01:07:55] Thank you so much for being here.

[01:07:57] Of course.

[01:07:57] Thank you for having me.

[01:07:58] I'm awake now.

[01:07:59] Yeah.

[01:07:59] Yeah.

[01:08:00] It took me a few minutes, but I'm here.

[01:08:02] So we should have a whiskey?

[01:08:03] Is that what you're saying?

[01:08:04] Yeah.

[01:08:04] 24 hours.

[01:08:05] Yeah.

[01:08:05] Yeah.

[01:08:06] 24 hours.

[01:08:06] Yeah.

[01:08:07] No, thanks for taking time.

[01:08:08] We really appreciate it.

[01:08:09] I'm grateful for you being so honest with your story.

[01:08:12] And it's a unique one.

[01:08:13] And it's very interesting.

[01:08:14] And I really appreciate that you shared that.

[01:08:17] Yeah.

[01:08:17] Thank you.

[01:08:17] Thank you guys for having me.

[01:08:18] Yeah.

[01:08:19] Throw your Instagram out again.

[01:08:21] Your personal one if you want to.

[01:08:22] Or your Wrestling United.

[01:08:24] Just give it one last plug for yourself.

[01:08:28] Wrestling United 204 on Instagram and just on Facebook, Wrestling United.

[01:08:32] We've got the Eventbrite ticket link, which is thursdaynightwrestling.eventbrite.ca.

[01:08:39] Wonderful.

[01:08:39] And thank you for coming on our show.

[01:08:42] We got a little mug for you.

[01:08:42] Oh, well, thank you.

[01:08:43] This is great.

[01:08:45] Healing starts with a single conversation.

[01:08:47] Right.

[01:08:47] We've had a conversation today.

[01:08:49] Absolutely.

[01:08:49] We have now.

[01:08:50] Yes.

[01:08:50] Perfect.

[01:08:51] Thank you very much.

[01:08:51] Thanks a lot.

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